Apr 10 2010
Echelon Crims Spies & Jurys Meet in NZ
Refurbishes The Jury System
There is an absolute furore going on in New Zealand right now over the vandalism acts of three persons who took to the pneumatic dome of one of New Zealand’s contributions to the Echelon Programme.
Yeah we know; there is a cry from spooksville inhabitants of NZ, this is in no way a US installation and they are naive enough to believe, there are more in New Zealand than themselves who believe this.
The real story here though, is not, whether or not the above is a big lie, or a little lie by NZ spy chiefs, we all know it is a lie, but rather the actual due process of law and more importantly, the serious reason for Jury’s in trials, along with the ever exponential incursions of covert operations into daily life.
It is the issue of the NZ academic judicial world having their butts soundly kicked by their masters the citizens, that has the judiciary, the Spy contingent and the politicians, in an absolute quandary & angst.
SOS-NEWS exposed some years ago the USA Echelon NZ/AUST network set in place back in 1977- read here how it was implimented under covert government sanctions and still remains… http://sosnews.org/library/investigations/CIA/echelon.htm
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The NZ Police cry foul and want to have their DPP challenge the finding by appeal, but to do so requires that a point of law was not followed and hence, once the trial is heard and completed, the final say is left to the Jury to say Guilty, or not guilty, so there is no point of law on which to apppeal. That is unless Government passes new legislation and laws and makes them retrospective.
It is this ability to tell the Judge to stick his advice where it hurts when he attempts to direct the Jury how and why they must find at the outset of a trial, during a trial and at the summing up prior to Jury retiring, that has the all in sundry, up in arms and spitting froth.
The fact is, the Jury is there to tell the wigged adjudicators of the judiciary, (Judges and the like) as a panel of a citizenry peers who were picked by fair & due process, they, as that fair and honest selection of fair minded lay people, have decided as a duly appointed Jury panel, that the Defendant/s is/are, guilty, or not.
It is only then, that the presiding Judge (or any other term one likes to give such a person) has the ability to then decide a punishment befitting, if and only if, the Defendant/s is, or are, found guilty. In no way whatsoever, was there ever any power given by the people, for the people, to bestow upon Judges the ability to overrule a fair and just decision by a duly empanelled Jury and especially not because such Judicial person arrogantly believe, he or she knows better than his peers (yes his or her peers, for in a democracy, all citizens are equal before the law and this includes Judges & Ministers) on the Jury.
Ah Hah! Here is where the issue really lies. The Judiciary in no way consider themselves peers of the citizens, but rather superiors. The law itself was and is an office brought to be, to give and serve, both direction and purpose to democracy by way of containing the subjects to a fair and just path. It [the law] was always fuzzy and meant to be so and when those fuzzy lines were crossed, there was a panel of Jurors, a Defendant’s peers, allocated to decide, if crossing the fuzziness was allowable and acceptable for that society, or not. It was democracy at work by the people, for the people and if that Jury decided it was not, it then and only then, became the realm of Judges to mete out punishmnet.
No power of Office, the true power allowed by the people for the people, can ever be corrupted, by other than those who hold such office.
The problem was/is & will continue to be, those who consider/ed themselves superior, those who made and make a living from the law, those who need and needed to circumvent the carefully bestowed sovereign protection of the separation of powers, those who saw and believe, only those so learned through the hallowed halls of academia as having the right to rule, were not in charge, were unable to shape, were unable to build their utopia, were unable to revisit Master Servant Nobless (my word) without the corruption of such high offices.
Here is where, like here now in Australia, the NZ Judiciary and their Lamprey, (parasitic sucker fish) are heading the junior of the two of the grandest Nations in the world, on the path of destruction, a pathway that the future may see the likes of possible revolution should this subtle but pervasive manipulation of citizen’s rights, see such democratic rights, continuously being eroded over the coming years and hopefully decades.
The 10 commandments were, and still are quintessentially sufficient to keep at bay the entire scumbag fraternity of law breakers and to add a modern tinge of change to suit today’s crim control, all that is needed is to add to each commandment, at the end “And be bound by the Spirit of”. From that point on both a Jury and a Judge, will have the empowerment to consider reaching a verdict of guilt, or not, and no loophole technicality will hold legal veracity over honesty and truth, reason and cause, to exonerate, unless such technicality is just in the Judge, or Juries minds. (It is one or the other, never must the Judge be superior to the decision of a duly empanelled fair minded Jury.) But it is why every man was given the right to trial by his peers, the Jury, for the wise in society of olde, new that those who deemed themselves elite, were never to be trusted.
In New Zealand, talk of a retrial after a Jury decision of not guilty, where that decision is not as the elite wish, where no impropriety of Jury behaviour is found, is in fact a retrial sought under Double Jeopardy and that in NZ is still not allowed.
The very fact that Spy Bosses of New Zealand broke cover so to speak to defend the existence of this desecrated spy chattel, the Echelon Dish,(yes it is) an obviously apparent wilful vandal act conducted by these cretins, was in fact enough good reason to give those same vandalism perpetrators, a persona of sound reasoning for their actions; but when those same Spy Bosses come out and denigrate a deceased ex New Zealand Prime Minister Mr Lange; then the public of New Zealand and the world now know; not only is it fair and reasonable to genuinely suspect the Spy bosses are guilty of the charges within the allegations made by the three, but just perhaps, although the act of vandalism were crimes without question, the issue the Cretins who conducted the crimes were highlighting, was indeed an issue that may well have required such highlighting. We now have “Reasonable doubt”
To many, it will be here that the Jury has done what Juries are meant to do. Go beyond the wig wearing translation of the law in black and white and determine as, in this case, whether the Defendants so accused, were to a fair minded lay person of a democratic and free society, in fact committing a crime against that society and if so, were they in the process of so doing, thereby committing such crime, in fact performing a service for their country, their people and their sovereign democracy.
The Panel of Jurors, is, are and must remain, the highest law voice in the land, for this system was in fact installed in our and New Zealand’s great democracy to ensure that the people themselves, were always the final voice, when it came to adjudicating upon one of their own kind so accused of wrong, by elected and Unelected Officers, Lawyers, Politicians, Royalty and Spooks. They did this, and those so just mentioned are incensed at their neutering.
The argument that the Spy Agencies in the USA, Australia, Britain and New Zealand need to have the capacity of spying carte-blanche upon their, or our, own people, has no basis found in actual real results of civilian policing. There would not be a man woman, or child that would not find themselves before a Magistrate on a regular basis if total surveillance of our lives is condoned and thereby permitted, for the library of laws, from Civil, to Criminal, to Environmental, to International to name but a few, already cover more of one’s individual life than life holds as an individual.
As for Spook Intelligence gathering; the current incredible ability the sanctioned Spook Agencies have had for years, failed to stop the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior, the theft of Australian Passports for assassination purposes by the Mossad, the 911 Twin Towers destruction, The World Trade Centre Bombing, the Bali Bombing Massacre, or the daily bombing of innocent civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan just to name a miniscule few of the Intelligence Services failings and it certainly does not stop, nor hinder, the drug trade out of South American Cartel’s territories. Yet they still killed an innocent man in a public display, as a result of over zealous Intelligence in/competence, on a railway platform in Britain.
Yet even more so ugly, when the New Zealand Spy Boss says that the intelligence agencies are there at the behest and subservience of the political party that is in power (Government) at the time, this NZ Spy Boss just opened a clear door into exactly what is happening in New Zealand, almost completed in Australia and all but concluded in the US of A & Britain.
The Spook minions are spying for the government of the day upon their own people, for the purposes of ???? (you are all intelligent people, fill this gap in yourself, it’s yours and your children’s futures) which goes way beyond daily crime, but is justified by the covert use of unfettered immigration, but that’s another story.
Lets have a look at the statement, reported in the press in New Zealand, of the Spy Boss, our comments bracketed and in colour.
The ABC
Tuesday, January 31, 2006. 7:08pm (AEDT)
NZ spy chief denies US ‘lackey’ claim [ Spook Warren Tucker]
The head of one of New Zealand’s spy agencies [ Only 5 million people in this Country and they have two they are telling about ] broke cover today to deny charges his organisation is a “lackey” of US and British interests. [ Of course they are not, they are all on the same payroll; that of governments that are being manipulated to ensure their own citizens fund an intelligence organisation network within their respective sovereign Nations that are given powers to equally ensure those same citizens remain subservient to their political and corporate masters. ]
Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) director Warren Tucker issued an unprecedented statement published in a number of New Zealand newspapers following controversy over the role of New Zealand’s spy agencies. [ Why is it necessary for a Spook Chief to come out in public if an official recent inquiry has already refuted the allegations? Reason; guilt is so all consuming and fear of a populist belief growing, to a movement not even their cosy place above the normal law will protect them from.]
Mr Tucker said he wanted to put the record straight over public debate sparked by the inadvertent release to a newspaper this month of the GCSB’s top secret annual report for 1985-86. [ How inconvenient that such a damning release of official data should make the news and the public get to see into the bowels of the stringy medusa they have inadvertently allow to materialise.]
The report was among papers belonging to former New Zealand Prime Minister David Lange, who died last year, which were released to a newspaper by the National Archive. [ Oops! Who lost their pay grade over this error of Intelligence security, or was there someone within the bowels who knew it was time to let the public, the real masters of New Zealand, see what some within (perhaps even able to be termed the real fifth column,) were morphing into? ]
The report showed New Zealand spied on UN diplomatic communications and a number of friendly countries, including Japan and Pacific island nations, as part of an intelligence sharing network. [ note: An Intelligence Sharing Network>.]
This raised allegations New Zealand spy agencies were putting US and British interests ahead of those of New Zealand. [ What is the saying? "Lie in the little things, bloody well lying in the big things". ]
Mr Tucker said throughout his 29-year career [ that is a career alright and a career that can reasonably be assumed that one would do almost anything to protect ] with the GCSB, which gathers intelligence by monitoring foreign communications, he was aware of no circumstances [ Spook speak for "I do not recall that" not that it didn't actually happen.] in which US or British interests were put first. [ Of course not, NZ wanted the information as much as any other ally, so the statement is rhetorically true no doubt. ]
“The GCSB’s actions have been and remain entirely consistent with, and subordinate to, the policies and interests of the New Zealand government of the day,” he said. [ This is frightening, for when they clearly state that the intelligence organisations are working for the interests of the governments of the day, I repeat "Interests of the Government of the day" then suddenly we see where intelligence gathering is so easily subverted to serve political purposes, rather than national needs and it is here that the Cretins who committed Vandalism to showcase their point, start to gain credence, where no credence should be attainable. The policies of the day are what the Government let the plebes who elected them know. They are falsehoods and generalisations of promises made with no binding liability to meet.
The Interests, this is the realm of the unknown, the realm where Spooks do political bidding by their now, own admission. It is a realm you all, the citizens, not only will never know about, unless there is a slip up by archives officer etc, or a John Pilger type courageous Author prepared to suffer covert and overt intimidation, lurking, but you are meant to believe such things do not take place at all. ]
“Far from being the ‘lackey’ of American or British ‘puppet masters’, New Zealand enjoys immense benefits from its membership of this long-standing partnership,” he said. [ Of course they do and so too does Australia. Again, Spook Tucker's statement implies that perhaps the Cretins were right in stating that NZ was assisting the USA via these Echelon sites. (Not that again.) If you are so naive to believe that these sites are not part of the Echelon program, then you are beyond help and need to come to Australia and join Bob Brown's Green party.))
The issue, is not that it is, or is not, being done/conducted, of course it is and New Zealand freely passes on its data en-mass to Langley, and/or the like, the issue is; is the information which is home-grown, being used intra-nationally, for the wrong reasons? Reasons the New Zealand public would never ever countenance, should they be made privy to the truth about that intra-national use?]
Click here for a quick enlightenment on Echelon Exposed some years ago by SOS-NEWS
Spook Tucker said New Zealand’s intelligence-sharing with the US, Britain, Australia and Canada had not compromised the country’s independence in foreign policy. [ How could it, it was and is and rightfully will be, so closely linked to the USA's (this is a good thing militarily) that the term independence is in fact spook code, for interdependence (mutual dependence, reciprocal dependency, mutual reliance). ]
Spook Tucker, cited New Zealand’s anti-nuclear legislation, which saw it lose ally status with the United States in 1985, and its decision not to join in combat operations in Iraq as proof of its independence. [ Yeah and Santa Clause flies over Iraq filling the sleigh with opium poppies too. No Nukes in peace time allowed in the extreme Southern isolated Nation of New Zealand, is some how meant to upset the US Military machine. A machine that the NZ government would have welcomed, opened armed, nukes and all, should NZ have faced an impending military swarm of some foreign aggressor. That was purely self serving politics of the day and nothing to do with national and sovereign altruism. By the way, NZ SAS are in all sorts of places, but lets not go there. We will go here though. A snippet of historical reporting from 2000; "The visit of the nuclear-powered frigate USS Texas in 1983 sparked protest in New Zealand. An election was just around the corner, and the issue of nuclear ship visits would play a prominent part in the campaign.]”
Mr Tucker also denied claims that the Government, including Mr Lange during his term as New Zealand Prime Minister from 1984 to 1989, was kept in the dark about the activities of the GCSB. [ Dead men tell no tales and this man in the form of an ex Prime Minister, has no ability to defend himself. Most convenient and not lost on our Spook Chief Tucker, here.]
After leaving Parliament, Mr Lange claimed not to have known the extent of New Zealand’s involvement in the electronic spy network. [ Mr Lange did not say he did not know about the NZ Spook action, just that he didn't know about the depth to which this Spook action was reaching. Need to know and all that, "You're just a Prime Minister" here today and gone tomorrow, Tucker has a 29 year career in spook happenings. One must keep in mind in Prime Minister Lange's defence, he was certainly pro the NZ anti-nuke stance and thereby, very good reason to keep him in the dark somewhat. ]
Mr Tucker said Mr Lange had been regularly briefed by the then head of the organisation and any suggestion he was unaware of what the GCSB was doing while he was prime minister “is simply wrong”. [ We have no doubt that Mr Lange as New Zealand Prime Minister was Briefed (note the operative word "briefed" meaning summary of events not detail). But when a Spook chief says a Prime Minister was lying (but used the politically correct words "is simply wrong" you have to ask yourself a very simply answered question.
Do you believe the then now ex, deceased Prime Minister of a Nation, one the people believed in and elected to serve them, or do you believe a Spook Chief, a career spy who if he is competent at his shady trade, is trained in lying, subterfuge and diss and myth-information, sanctioned dishonesty as a means to gaining credibility. For me, Prime Minister Lange sits as high as a pyramid over a Tucker sphinx when that question has to be answered. Hell would freeze over before I believe you Spook Tucker, or your predecessors. ]
And just quietly, how do you know Spook Tucker, what, or what was not, told to Prime Minister Lange by your predecessors, when, as a lesser Spook at that time, such intimate details were way above your pay grade and career path position. OOPS!!!! Perhaps it is time to look at the Spook Chief’s resume’;
Warren Tucker was born in Lower Hutt, New Zealand, on 18 August 1950, and grew up in Nelson.
Warren was educated at Nelson College and the University of Canterbury.
He graduated BE (Hons) and PhD (both in Electrical Engineering) in 1973 and 1978 respectively and qualified as a Registered Engineer.
After a brief spell with the Post Office, Warren joined the NZ Army (RNZ Sigs) in 1979 as a specialist Defence communications systems planner.
He retired from the Army in 1982 (with the rank of Major) and joined the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB).
He held a variety of roles during his career in the GCSB, including a posting to the National Security Agency in Washington as the first formally accredited New Zealand Liaison Officer (NZLOW).
He returned to GCSB in September 1989 as Director, SIGINT Operations.
On 1 July 1996 he was appointed Intelligence Coordinator in the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.
Warren was appointed Director of the Government Communications Security Bureau with effect 13 December 1999.
On 1 November 2000 he was appointed Colonel Commandant of the Royal New Zealand Corps of Signals (with the rank of Honorary Colonel), a position he still holds.
He took up the position as Director of Security, New Zealand Security Intelligence Service, on 1 November 2006.
Warren is a founding member and Patron of the New Zealand Institute of Intelligence Professionals (NZIIP
)
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Spook tucker also denied that two communications monitoring stations were “US bases in disguise”. [ They do not have to be, the personnel that operate them are most probably New Zealander, although there is good evidence to suggest US Personnel man the installations from time to time, they are paid in New Zealand dollars, except the Yank Agents, they operate with New Zealand Government legal and legislative authority, including the Yank Agents, and they all, willingly, as per any allied pact, pass about all info sluethed, amongst each other.
It is no different than New Zealand giving aid to Fiji in the form of dairy product, the farms are always New Zealand's', but the aid is given freely with no strings attached, except of course, subservience to NZ's Political Will, just hope you like the cheese, except the three Cretins who broke in and vandalised the Echelon dome, seemed by their actions, to have indirectly moved the cheese somewhat. ]
The GCSB is one of two New Zealand spy organisations.
The other is the Security Intelligence Service. [Intelligence organisations under National sovereign control are an absolute necessity and at no time would any sane person believe to the contrary, but it is the misuse and the unfettered growth of these powers that are being turned upon their own citizens of their respective nations, that has many concerned. ]
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This then brings into focus the last, but not least, big worry. There are those amongst us, as the government builds these monolithic security FSB type organisations, who eagerly will prostitute their democratic values, their sovereign allegiance and obligations to their fellow citizen, for the rewards gained by subservience to masters they have no idea of whom such masters are, nor hold knowledge of the reasoning for the issuing of directives, and thereby, no understanding of the legitimacy, or not, of the reasoning behind the wielding of such covert powers. Nuremberg defence is no defence at all.
They get an order, they follow it without question; blindly believing those in such superiority above are never to be questioned and hence are more than happy to spy, concoct, trick and abuse; citizens, peers and equals, of their own kind and citizenry, all for the glory, the dollar, of the power bestowed by being a privileged operative.
So many times through history, through Stalin and Mao’s Red Card, Hitler’s Youth, SS and Gestapo, Amin’s despotic rule to Mugabe’s current, McCarthyism in the USA to the Cambodian killing fields, Burma’s current Heroine Aung San Suu Kyi’s persecution, to our own NSW NCA Spook on charges of alleged drug running. The list is endless; when the power is given its own rules, allowed to operate in the shadows, controls the media, then the innocent masses are at risk and although history also shows the Stalin’s and the Hitler’s and soon the Mugabe’s and the Rudd’s, are all disposed of in their own fitting ways, the damage and catastrophic hurt they leave in their wake, is never enough to stop that history, their history, repeating itself and this, is exactly why, the Jury in New Zealand did for that nation, what only a revolution would do for Rwanda. It woke the people up to the impending doom so very few are attempting to bring upon an entire nation.
Society accepts that a good Dictator, is the best leader of all types. This dictator enacts and enforces rules and legislation, constructs offices and personnel with powers and little constraint to genuinely protect and serve the people. But the Dictator must die, or is deposed and then those rules, offices and personnel that all in the Nation came to respect and accept, now are directed by a new despot, a new ruler, a new party and their ideals are far and removed from the good Dictators’. Those rules, so hastily agreed to in good times, their pervasiveness never disused, are now the catastrophic nemesis of an entire populous of peoples, for their short-sightedness, their lack of understanding and/or acceptance of Man’s greed, their failure to recognise and heed history so often written, is now the weight behind the heart piercing sword.
There is one last line of defence in Western Nations such as New Zealand, Australia, Canada and Britain living under embattled Westminster Systems, and this line of defence is under immense attack, that is the Jury system. The people’s right to decide.
Wake up people, those three Cretins are nothing short of criminals and vandals, but that Jury, those people are heroes, not for letting the Cretins off, but for letting each New Zealand citizen know, justice is in the hands of the masters the citizens and no Judge, no politician, no Professor, no Police Commissioner and no sneaky Spook, is going to take from the New Zealand people as a sovereign, democratically free peoples, their right to decide what is and what is not, in the interests of New Zealand People and more importantly, show the people, Juries hand down guilty verdicts, not Judges.
It may not be perfect, but it is superior by half, than all those who are most vocal in indignation over this proud Jury’s stance and decision and whom desperate to continue to do as they have, that is attempt to usurp such people’s power with the instigation of overt and covert legislation in an effort to unconstitutionally wrest power from the people, to cement leadership rule, as opposed to leadership service.
New Zealanders, your government will do everything in its power to ensure no Jury ever puts the self appointed rulers in their place again in such manner. You have to put pen to Paper, go to the streets, the Internet, the Papers and the world; tell them, hands off. The Jury Rules and when it comes to a Guilty, or not Guilty decision, whatever law is written, that law never, never supercedes, the powers of a duly empanelled Jury made up of a defendant’s fair minded peers.
Thank God for democracy, for the future is far different if it is allowed to be subsumed by Cretins way more dangerous, than the Echelon Three Vandals.
